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		<title>Comment on Sammy Shelor Inducted into the Virginia by hoperiver</title>
		<link>http://wintergrass.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/sammy-shelor-inducted-into-the-virginia/#comment-54</link>
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		<description>Congratulations Sammy Shelor!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Wintergrass 2010 and Beyond by rka724</title>
		<link>http://wintergrass.wordpress.com/2009/06/04/wintergrass-2010-and-beyond/#comment-49</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think moving the the Bellevue Hyatt is a great idea for a number of reasons.  
I have attended Wintergrass every year for the last 10 years, and I have to admit the location in Tacoma has a number of downsides; the venues are spread out, the eating options are limited, the hotel rooms expensive and scarce, and the parking is not too good.  The one thing (besides the lineup, and the Wintergrass staff) that made the inconveniences acceptable was the way the Sheraton management understood the festival, and their willingness to make it a great experience.  The jamming suites, the lack of restrictions on when and where we could jam, and the general vibe that they welcomed us and they were glad we were there - that accommodation really made all the difference.

This year, that feeling of welcome and accommodation was completely lacking.  Although they may want our money, it was obvious that the Murano does not want us in their hotel.  The restrictions on time and place for jamming, the curfews, the unfriendly security personnel, etc. made it clear we were really not welcome.  Since it was their second year hosting Wintergrass, it wasn&#039;t like they were surprised and caught off-guard.  They had seen Wintergrass once, and clearly did not like what they saw, and made moves to crack down.   My friends and I left the festival with a strong feeling that the Murano was going to find some reason to force Wintergrass out.

The survey focused mostly on the question of Tacoma vs Bellevue.  Moving from Tacoma is not the issue - moving from the Murano is the issue.  Holding the festival in a suitable venue where we are welcome and the management is willing to accommodate our unique requirements is the really important consideration.  This could be in Bellevue, another location in Tacoma, or another city.

I think one of the biggest challenges Wintergrass faces is the River City festival.  Because of the costs, and because they are scheduled so close together, many of us have to chose one or the other.  Finances, work commitments, and family obligations make it very difficult to many of us to attend both festivals.  Especially those of us who come to Wintergrass without our families because we have spouses or partners who do not love Bluegrass the way we do. (this is 100% in my circle of friends.)  We need time to plan a nice weekend away with our partners before we go off for another 4 day vacation alone. If Wintergrass stays at the Murano, unless the Murano management has a radical change of attitude, I believe the crowds will switch to River City and Wintergrass may not survive.  

When I mention costs and financial issues, I am only referring to the hotel and lodging costs - not the tickets.  I think the Wintergrass ticket prices are very reasonable and not an issue to me at all.  If the move to Bellevue is made and there are significant cost savings, I don&#039;t think you should lower the ticket prices - I would rather see the full time staff draw a salary.  Putting on this festival is too much work to expect anyone to do for free year after year.  They do a great job, and they deserve to be compensated.  

Anyway, I think the move to the Bellevue Hyatt is a great idea.  Having the festival under one roof would be a real improvement.  Plus there are many more places to eat, things to do, places to park, and traffic is really not bad at all - altogether a better place for the festival.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think moving the the Bellevue Hyatt is a great idea for a number of reasons.<br />
I have attended Wintergrass every year for the last 10 years, and I have to admit the location in Tacoma has a number of downsides; the venues are spread out, the eating options are limited, the hotel rooms expensive and scarce, and the parking is not too good.  The one thing (besides the lineup, and the Wintergrass staff) that made the inconveniences acceptable was the way the Sheraton management understood the festival, and their willingness to make it a great experience.  The jamming suites, the lack of restrictions on when and where we could jam, and the general vibe that they welcomed us and they were glad we were there &#8211; that accommodation really made all the difference.</p>
<p>This year, that feeling of welcome and accommodation was completely lacking.  Although they may want our money, it was obvious that the Murano does not want us in their hotel.  The restrictions on time and place for jamming, the curfews, the unfriendly security personnel, etc. made it clear we were really not welcome.  Since it was their second year hosting Wintergrass, it wasn&#8217;t like they were surprised and caught off-guard.  They had seen Wintergrass once, and clearly did not like what they saw, and made moves to crack down.   My friends and I left the festival with a strong feeling that the Murano was going to find some reason to force Wintergrass out.</p>
<p>The survey focused mostly on the question of Tacoma vs Bellevue.  Moving from Tacoma is not the issue &#8211; moving from the Murano is the issue.  Holding the festival in a suitable venue where we are welcome and the management is willing to accommodate our unique requirements is the really important consideration.  This could be in Bellevue, another location in Tacoma, or another city.</p>
<p>I think one of the biggest challenges Wintergrass faces is the River City festival.  Because of the costs, and because they are scheduled so close together, many of us have to chose one or the other.  Finances, work commitments, and family obligations make it very difficult to many of us to attend both festivals.  Especially those of us who come to Wintergrass without our families because we have spouses or partners who do not love Bluegrass the way we do. (this is 100% in my circle of friends.)  We need time to plan a nice weekend away with our partners before we go off for another 4 day vacation alone. If Wintergrass stays at the Murano, unless the Murano management has a radical change of attitude, I believe the crowds will switch to River City and Wintergrass may not survive.  </p>
<p>When I mention costs and financial issues, I am only referring to the hotel and lodging costs &#8211; not the tickets.  I think the Wintergrass ticket prices are very reasonable and not an issue to me at all.  If the move to Bellevue is made and there are significant cost savings, I don&#8217;t think you should lower the ticket prices &#8211; I would rather see the full time staff draw a salary.  Putting on this festival is too much work to expect anyone to do for free year after year.  They do a great job, and they deserve to be compensated.  </p>
<p>Anyway, I think the move to the Bellevue Hyatt is a great idea.  Having the festival under one roof would be a real improvement.  Plus there are many more places to eat, things to do, places to park, and traffic is really not bad at all &#8211; altogether a better place for the festival.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Comments please!!! Will you follow us?? by bohemianbanjo</title>
		<link>http://wintergrass.wordpress.com/2009/06/04/comments-please-will-you-follow-us/#comment-48</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 04:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck pretty much nailed it.  

The questions about traffic are N/A.  For those of us from out of town, traffic is the same in both places.  

Tacoma: +The church and Rialto are great venues.  The Murano has ambiance.  Familiarity. -Bad jamming rules, jammers in more than one building.

Bellevue: +Relaxed jamming(?), cheaper, jammers under one roof. -Unfamiliar, does it have character like the Murano? (River City is too sterile)

Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck pretty much nailed it.  </p>
<p>The questions about traffic are N/A.  For those of us from out of town, traffic is the same in both places.  </p>
<p>Tacoma: +The church and Rialto are great venues.  The Murano has ambiance.  Familiarity. -Bad jamming rules, jammers in more than one building.</p>
<p>Bellevue: +Relaxed jamming(?), cheaper, jammers under one roof. -Unfamiliar, does it have character like the Murano? (River City is too sterile)</p>
<p>Matt</p>
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		<title>Comment on Comments please!!! Will you follow us?? by jarchitect2</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 03:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In general, I support the move...as a matter of convenience.  I live in Seattle and making the trip to Tacoma, though not far, means I need to either sleep in my mini-van (ouch!) or spend bucks to sleep in a room (also ouch!)  I would miss the church venue...really one of the nicest halls to see music that I can think of.  Hopefully a similar venue of intimate size can be found in Blahview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In general, I support the move&#8230;as a matter of convenience.  I live in Seattle and making the trip to Tacoma, though not far, means I need to either sleep in my mini-van (ouch!) or spend bucks to sleep in a room (also ouch!)  I would miss the church venue&#8230;really one of the nicest halls to see music that I can think of.  Hopefully a similar venue of intimate size can be found in Blahview.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Comments please!!! Will you follow us?? by eljimb0</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 00:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wintergrass was once a regional gathering of bluegrass music people held in the dead of winter.  It was accessible to the region, It was fantastic fun, It was affordable, it was bluegrass. Stick to that formula and you will be successful.
Whether  it is Bellview or Tacoma makes no difference at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wintergrass was once a regional gathering of bluegrass music people held in the dead of winter.  It was accessible to the region, It was fantastic fun, It was affordable, it was bluegrass. Stick to that formula and you will be successful.<br />
Whether  it is Bellview or Tacoma makes no difference at all.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Comments please!!! Will you follow us?? by jjg123</title>
		<link>http://wintergrass.wordpress.com/2009/06/04/comments-please-will-you-follow-us/#comment-45</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 19:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would follow Wintergrass to Bellevue as long as the lineup is what I&#039;m interested in.  The reason I only went for one day this year is because the lineup was lousy - getting too far from the bluegrass that I love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would follow Wintergrass to Bellevue as long as the lineup is what I&#8217;m interested in.  The reason I only went for one day this year is because the lineup was lousy &#8211; getting too far from the bluegrass that I love.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Comments please!!! Will you follow us?? by dfcampbe</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is a great idea.  Yes, I&#039;ll miss the church and the Rialto, but this looks like a great venue; good bus access, parking nearby (the Mall), a more family friendly area, plenty of places to eat nearby, huge jamming potential, as well as management that really gets it.  ...and more affordable.  One question, not for myself, but for other folks, is there any place to park RVs around there?  I&#039;ve never really looked with that in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is a great idea.  Yes, I&#8217;ll miss the church and the Rialto, but this looks like a great venue; good bus access, parking nearby (the Mall), a more family friendly area, plenty of places to eat nearby, huge jamming potential, as well as management that really gets it.  &#8230;and more affordable.  One question, not for myself, but for other folks, is there any place to park RVs around there?  I&#8217;ve never really looked with that in mind.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Comments please!!! Will you follow us?? by gmaass</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be in favor of it. It has been great to support the turnaround of Tacoma over the years, and it is nice to have a revitalized area near the Murano that makes for a fun weekend. But people come for the festival- bluegrass fans are used to pretty rough conditions sometimes, so the city/hotel really is secondary. Having everyone/everything in one place would be a huge plus- the energy is really dispersed when people are staying in multiple locations and there are multiple venues. Logistically this makes a lot more sense- centralization is good. Plus I bet there would be a lot more day ticket sales from people in Seattle who would come over the bridge to check it out.

I really doubt that many people (except Tacoma locals) would stop coming if the festival were no longer in Tacoma. People care about the music, the scene, and the cost. With a good lineup and reasonable costs, people will come no matter what. Look at all of the people who drive for hours on summer weekends to camp in the dirt and sometimes extreme weather.

No real downside as far as I can see to this move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be in favor of it. It has been great to support the turnaround of Tacoma over the years, and it is nice to have a revitalized area near the Murano that makes for a fun weekend. But people come for the festival- bluegrass fans are used to pretty rough conditions sometimes, so the city/hotel really is secondary. Having everyone/everything in one place would be a huge plus- the energy is really dispersed when people are staying in multiple locations and there are multiple venues. Logistically this makes a lot more sense- centralization is good. Plus I bet there would be a lot more day ticket sales from people in Seattle who would come over the bridge to check it out.</p>
<p>I really doubt that many people (except Tacoma locals) would stop coming if the festival were no longer in Tacoma. People care about the music, the scene, and the cost. With a good lineup and reasonable costs, people will come no matter what. Look at all of the people who drive for hours on summer weekends to camp in the dirt and sometimes extreme weather.</p>
<p>No real downside as far as I can see to this move.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Comments please!!! Will you follow us?? by picker22</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 02:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was one of the die-hard Wintergrass fans who complained long and hard about the Murano BUT other than the hotel management&#039;s cluelessness with respect to bluegrass jamming there is so much to like about Wintergrass in Tacoma.  The Church surely must be the best bluegrass concert venue in the world.  The Rialto was nearly as good.  How about the rowdy scene at the Varsity Grill . .just too cool.  I&#039;m hoping the Murano drops their prices a bit, embraces the festival culture, find ways to accommodate their concerns of property damage and we are back picking in Tacoma in February.

Chuck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was one of the die-hard Wintergrass fans who complained long and hard about the Murano BUT other than the hotel management&#8217;s cluelessness with respect to bluegrass jamming there is so much to like about Wintergrass in Tacoma.  The Church surely must be the best bluegrass concert venue in the world.  The Rialto was nearly as good.  How about the rowdy scene at the Varsity Grill . .just too cool.  I&#8217;m hoping the Murano drops their prices a bit, embraces the festival culture, find ways to accommodate their concerns of property damage and we are back picking in Tacoma in February.</p>
<p>Chuck</p>
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		<title>Comment on Comments please!!! Will you follow us?? by rabbitja</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 02:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am ok with the move.  The trip to Bellevue on I-405 is more difficult for me, but having all the venues in one place makes it worh it.  
I am concerned with the availabliity of cheap parking near the Hyatt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am ok with the move.  The trip to Bellevue on I-405 is more difficult for me, but having all the venues in one place makes it worh it.<br />
I am concerned with the availabliity of cheap parking near the Hyatt.</p>
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